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Mark Steyn On Obama’s Refugees And Hillary’s Friends

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HH: First hour, we are always lucky when Mark Steyn, Columnist To the World, joins us. Follow Mark and everything he writes, including his Sinatra look backs, which are wonderful, at Mark, are you an NBA fan at all?

MS: You always spring American sport questions on me, and I hate to become the unassimilated jihadist on you, but you know that I haven’t yet assimilated to the degree where I’m following the NBA.

HH: Oh, that’s too bad, because the Cavaliers beat the Hawks last night, and I thought there might be a musical Guys and Balls in the offing somewhere, but I guess not. Let’s go to the…

MS: No, no, no, I was watching the Afghanistan-Sri Lanka chess match.

HH: (laughing) Did you see, before I turn to the Blumenthal story, Ramadi not only fell, but the jihadists have pushed out something like ten kilometers beyond that. It appears as though Baghdad is encircled.

MS: Yeah, I mean, this is incredible, and the level of denial going on by the United States government, because it’s not just the President, but it goes all the way down. The United States adopted a strategy that cannot win. These desultory, ineffectual airstrikes, it cannot win. So it embarked on a war that it could only lose. So this time last year when ISIS took Mosul, that was when America’s back was turned. Then, America assembled this 60 nation coalition, and ISIS took Ramadi. So in other words, instead of just rampaging in to a barren bit of abandoned territory, ISIS will be able to claim that they defeated the great Satan. And insofar as anybody reverses ISIS, it’s going to be Iran. And this, it’s absolutely incredible to me that the global superpower has embarked on a strategy that can only ensure that it is perceived as having lost to a ragtag bunch of head choppers.

HH: And we have the juxtaposition of the President going to the Coast Guard Academy and lecturing those young officers to be that their global warming is their number one concern. And the Ayatollah Khamenei going to Imam Hussein Military University in Tehran to announce that inspections, they will not occur at any military center, and we’re not going to be allowed to talk to their nuclear scientists.

MS: Right.

HH: The juxtaposition is amazing.

MS: Yeah, one of these guys is living in the real world and dealing with reality, and the other isn’t. And the President’s words, I thought, were actually, aside from the fact that they’re completely preposterous, the President’s words, I thought, were just in the most ghastly bad taste when he’s telling these guys that the main challenge they’re going to have to face in their careers is the threat of climate refugees, when they’re, just this week, in the three days, four days since ISIS took Ramadi, there are 100,000 refugees streaming west toward Baghdad because of him.

HH: Yeah.

MS: There’s not going to be any climate change refugees. The climate change refugees at the moment? Zero. None. Zip. There aren’t any. But there’s 100,000 refugees streaming towards Baghdad to add to the millions who’ve come from Syria and Iraq, destabilized Jordan. In Libya, they’re getting on boats and they’re going to Italy and Greece, and ISIS is putting little jihadist boys onto those boats so they can get to Italy and Greece and disburse throughout Europe. These are real refugees, and he’s telling, he’s telling the United States Coast Guard that the main challenge of their careers is going to be climate refugees. This guy is bonkers. He’s fiddling with the temperature data while Ramadi burns.

HH: That is it. He’s bonkers. It is almost disassociative in its conduct. Speaking of which, I come to the New York Times story this morning, which is by Michael Schmidt, and it begins, “The State Department is expected to release the first batch of emails from Hillary Rodham Clinton’s private email address in the coming days. The emails set for release draw on from some 55,000 pages, and focused on Libya, have already been turned over to the Special House Committee. The New York Times has obtained about a third of the 850 pages of email.” So I did the math. That means the New York Times has between 250 and 300 pages of the 55,000 pages that have been turned over to State, not counting the approximately 30-55,000 pages that were erased. They then go on to draw conclusions about what these 250-300 pages capture, which is absurd, Mark Steyn. You can’t draw any conclusions based upon that sample size, except that Sidney Blumenthal was feeding her the video line the day after the attack.

MS: Right, right, and this is, this is a portent of what a second Clinton presidency is going to be, because what I find interesting is that Hillary is supposed to be running, because she’s her own man. Her time has come. She’s a strong woman. She is going to be, she’s a successful politician in her own right. She’s just, she’s not just Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton, and yet, everybody around her, with the exception of Huma, is these ghastly, undead zombies from the 1990s now risen from the grave to stalk the land once more, so that we’re getting John Podesta, we’re getting David Brock, we’re getting Sidney Blumenthal, we’re getting James Carville. All the, it’s like they’re the only guys she knows. And what’s fascinating about this is that because he was blocked from actually going to the State Department, she said oh, I don’t care about that, he’s still going to be, in effect, my deputy secretary of state. So when the powder keg goes up in Benghazi, Sid will tell me how to get of the hook.

HH: And the New York Times, this is the complete paragraph, “The emails appear to back up Mrs. Clinton’s previous assertions that she did not receive classified information at her private email address.” That is absurd.

MS: Right.

HH: I mean, that is, that simply is not true. They cannot. It is 250-300 pages of 850 pages of 55,000 pages of which 30,000 pages in addition have been deleted. They can’t back up that assertion. That’s just, that’s absurd.

MS: Yeah, yeah, she is, she would be regarded, if this was a court case, the opposing counsel would say on the face of it, she’s destroyed evidence.

HH: Yes.

MS: And her excuse is that some of the evidence in some form is still out there, the equivalent of photocopies of photocopies of photocopies. You know, if I destroyed all my emails and then told police oh, don’t worry, because in the course of the last ten years, I sent 200 of them to Hugh Hewitt, so here’s his phone number, go and ask him and see if he kept any of them, that’s basically what she told us. She told us she destroyed all the evidence, but some of the recipients of the evidence may still have it.

HH: And let me play for you what Mike Morell, former deputy director of the CIA, told me last week, Mark Steyn.

HH: What did you make of the Secretary of State having a private server in her house?

MM: So I don’t think that was a very good judgment. I don’t know who gave her that advice, but it was not good advice, and you know, and she’s paying a price for it now. Yeah, it was, it was not good.

HH: As a professional matter, do you believe that at least one or perhaps many foreign intelligence services have everything that went to and from that server?

MM: So I think that foreign intelligence services, the good ones, the good ones, have everything on any unclassified network that the government uses, whether it’s a private server or a public one. They’re that good.

HH: So that’s a yes?

MM: Yup.

HH: Mark Steyn, that’s a disqualifying admission from the deputy director of the CIA. Every intelligence service worth their salt in the world has all 85,000 emails. They know what she said. She’s subject to blackmail.

MS: Exactly, and it isn’t very difficult. The Chinese, the Russians, and even friendly intelligence services know that people’s vulnerability are where their private and public lives intersect, so that someone can have an impenetrable government email, but you might happen to catch them when they’re on vacation in the Caribbean, and they’re using a private email on the Mrs.’ laptop or something. And in effect, Hillary Clinton made all her emails vulnerable to the intelligence services, because she was, her concern was that, with the usual Clinton paranoia, that she didn’t want anybody knowing what she and Sid and the rest of the gang were up to. So instead, the American people know nothing, but the Chinese, the Russians, and if we’re lucky, a couple of friendly intelligence agencies, know every single thing she did on all those emails.

HH: And so Mark, 30 seconds, I really do mean, this is, people have a failure of imagination if they don’t know what it means when every email you’ve ever sent is in the hands of hostiles.

MS: Right, right.

HH: It’s disqualifying. She should be out of this race.

MS: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, Hugh, and it reflects very badly on the American people and the media that they don’t take this seriously.

HH: Mark Steyn, everything he writes is available at

End of interview.


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