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Hugh Sits Down With The Next Governor Of Colorado, Bob Beauprez

Thursday, July 17, 2014

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HH: Right now, I’m so pleased to welcome the man who gave the best speech I’ve ever heard given to a crowd of 3,000, and that was on the night of 2012. At the time, he was the state party chairman, and Bill Owen was the governor of the Rocky Mountain State, and Bob Beauprez blew away a crowd. And I turned, as I was walking up to Bill Owen, and said that guy ought to be governor. He said he will be. And he’s going to be. Bob Beauprez is going to be the next governor of Colorado, former Congressman, former banker. He’s a buffalo rancher and a dairy farmer and a developer, and he’s an all-around good guy. And Claudia is even better than he is. Bob Beauprez, good to talk to you again, friend.

BB: Good to be talking with you. Thank you for that introduction. I had not heard that story before.

HH: Oh, I was in the room, and I can’t remember where the hotel was. Our friend, Michele Austin, would remember where the hotel was, but it was just about 3,000 people. It was jammed, and you were on fire. And we had a good night that night. But we don’t have a good thing in Colorado right now for a lot of reasons, and you’ve got to beat John Hickenlooper, who at least to a Californian who comes here a lot, looks like an awfully nice guy who’s a little overwhelmed by the job. Why do you need to be governor?

BB: Well, Colorado deserves better than what we’ve been getting. Failed leadership, you know, I talk about the Obama-Looper regime, and when you see one of them, you’ve seen the other one. And I think we’re seeing the same thing in Colorado, unfortunately, as we’re seeing in D.C., an unwillingness to make the tough decisions, and then leadership kind of by default. And when you don’t act, you create a vacuum. And when you create a vacuum, somebody else fills it. And it’s usually a bad thing that fills it. Colorado right now, Hugh, is losing way too much opportunity. This was always the opportunity state. We kind of throw that word around casually a little bit, but to me, I’ve lived it here in this state. You mentioned my background, the life I’ve been blessed with, and I really mean that word blessed. But this is the place, this is the state that’s always invited that, created that, inspired that. We’re big enough for all of our dreams, and right now, we’re kind of middle of the pack. And middle of the pack’s not good enough for Colorado.

HH: And with some very disturbing stuff, but let’s do the politics first. I happen to be talking to you, this is just providential and good luck and having a good booking Sherpa in Michele, you’re sitting here and you’re ahead. Denver Post, front page today, Bob Beauprez is ahead of John Hickenlooper. Now it’s not much of a win, but you’ll take a win with 122 votes. You’ll take one vote, right?

BB: Yeah, been there, done that.

HH: Yeah, so…

BB: As you remember, and you were a part of. Well, no, we very much, Hugh, like where we’re at right now, and we’ve been sensing it. You’ve been at this, around this long enough you know when momentum’s on your side and you feel like yeah, there’s some energy out there. We have felt that all over the state and have been talking about it. Now here comes Quinnipiac today and says that we’re up by one. Now why is that significant? Well, because as recently as April, Quinnipiac, same outfit, said that no Republican was within any more than nine points of John Hickenlooper, and most people, until maybe today, were saying that he couldn’t be beat. We’ve sensed for a long time that Colorado’s more than a little upset, and some parts of this state are flat angry.

HH: Well, that requires, though, resources. And I want to tell everyone that we could use your help in Colorado. www.bobbeauprez.com, Bob Beauprez. There is an $1,100 dollar limit, and if you want to invest in the future of the country and the future of the Rocky Mountain region, you invest in Bob Beauprez. And if you want to give more than that, you can’t unless you go to the Republican Governors Association and give them a lot of money and hope they spend it where it’s needed. It’s needed in the Rocky Mountain State. So he’s got a lot of money, and he’ll have the Democrats behind him, because this is the swing state for 2016, right?

BB: It is. It’s one of the few. Republican governors are looking at a couple or three pickups. This is one of the best opportunities we’ve got. And it’s enhanced, Hugh, and I know you’ve been talking about this, it’s enhanced by our whole ticket. We’ve got a great ticket with Cory Gardner at the top of the Senate race. Our statewide races, we’ve got a tremendous fleet of candidates. I don’t know that Colorado’s, and no disrespect to anybody that’s been on the ticket before, but I don’t know that we’ve had a stronger ticket. And we feel a little bit of that wind at our back. I wouldn’t say it’s a full-blown gale, but a little bit of wind at our back, and we’re going to take advantage of it.

HH: Better at your back than in your face. Now tell us about your running mate, because I was briefed on her a little bit, didn’t know anything about that you’d made this partnership for the future of Colorado. Tell us about her.

BB: Jill Repella. She’s a single mom, so she starts off being a mother, and a very, very good one. She’s been a Douglas County Commissioner, most recently been on the school board there. Why Douglas County, south Metro area, Douglas County happens to be, even in the middle of all this recession, Douglas County is the number two job-creating county in the nation, and it’s in large part because Jill Repella and her other two colleagues get it. And what I mean by getting it is trusting in people, not just trusting in government, but really unleashing the genius and the inventiveness, the goodness of individual people and trusting in them, and getting government the heck out of the way. So that’s what I’ve been saying even throughout the primary. And when I went looking for a running mate, I wanted somebody who was in sync with that mission that we see, to get Colorado back on the right track, to trust in the people, not this endless, more government regulation, more restriction. Jill not only says it, she’s walked the talk as we say. She’s done it and proven it in Douglas County, and she’s going to be a terrific running mate.

HH: How did you persuade Claudia Beauprez to do this again?

BB: It’s the other way around.

HH: Okay, oh, good, good.

BB: You know Claudia. She had her hand firmly in my back even before I had finally made the same decision. But she’s very much a part of this, and Hugh, you understand how important that is.

HH: Yeah.

BB: Someplace, you just need a place to go and shut the door and unload.

HH: She’ll make a great first lady of this state as well.

BB: Oh, my goodness, so excited to do that.

HH: Yeah.

BB: She’s used to be part of leading, and especially her passion, much like Laura Bush, is early childhood literacy, giving every little one that has the DNA, the genetic ability to be able to read, empower them by giving them that gift early in life. We’ve got 30% of our kids in Colorado, just short of 30%, at third grade, Hugh, that can’t read at grade level proficiency. Claudia and I are going to change that once and for all, that shameless statistic, and give every child who’s born with the ability to learn how to read that gift, and set them on the right track.

HH: I’m talking with Bob Beauprez. He’s the Republican nominee for governor in the Rocky Mountain State, and he is one point ahead according to the latest poll which is in this morning’s newspaper. And it is one of the key gubernatorial takeovers available to the Republican Governors Association in 2014. And it will set us up for 2016. He’s running with Jane, is it Jane Repella?

BB: Jill.

HH: Jill Repella as his lieutenant governor, and I look forward to talking to her on the air. And of course, Cory Gardner has been on the show many, many times. www.bobbeauprez.com. Bob, before we go to break, the immigration issue, I’m not going to spend a lot of time on it, but they’re hitting you with boards on it. This morning, I’m reading all my Colorado stuff. They want you to be who you’re not. You’re always one of the most outreach-oriented people I know. But it looks like they’re going to play the old cards, because that’s the only cards they’ve got.

BB: Well, they always try to be divisive. You know, whether it’s on women’s issues, or whether it’s on this immigration issue, they don’t want to talk about their failed leadership. And that’s what this really comes down to. If Barack Obama and the Democrats were so all-fired sincere about trying to do something about this issue that’s been out there for a long time, didn’t he have a Democrat House and a Democrat Senate for his first two years when he was president? And all he had to do was snap his fingers, and they would have done something? They did absolutely nothing. And now they want to demagogue the issue. Look, Hugh, we’re back to the same place. We need to secure the border. We need to modernize legal immigration. And we need to make sure that we’ve got a workforce here that can help grow this economy. But it’s got to be inside the rule of law. We can’t just have this chaos and lack of leadership. This is really what it comes down to. Governor Perry sent a letter to the President a couple of years ago and said you’ve got a problem down here, you’d better deal with it. And now he’s ignored it, and look where we are.

HH: Yeah, now I’ve been going back and forth on that, in Politico on this border crisis currently, and your old friend and mine, Archbishop Chaput…

BB: Yes.

HH: …who used to be the Archbishop of Denver, you know, he’s influenced my thinking on this. But it does begin with the rule of law.

BB: Well, it does, and you know, I wrote about this in the book I published in 2009. America is bigger than this…America is better than this, and what I mean by better than this, we do believe in the dignity of human beings. We absolutely do. But you start that with some grounding in principle. And you don’t accomplish that with chaos and no order in society. We’ve invited this problem to fester like it has, and now what we’ve got to do is get our head around this, do it with principle, do it with dignity, the value of human life, but do it with some order. And we keep coming back to that same phrase, the rule of law. That’s why, I mean, that’s why God gave Moses those Ten Commandments, wasn’t it, to keep some order in society. And I think that’s what we’ve got to go back to. Lack of leadership, failed leadership, will create this kind of chaos. There are no winners in this certain situation, this current situation. We’ve got to resolve that problem.

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HH: I want to run down some issues with him. He’s ahead in the race against John Hickenlooper, the incumbent, who’s kind of just not very effective. One of the things that astonishes me, and every 2nd Amendment rights lover in the country should be, there, it moved again. I think it must be at this end of this then, every 2nd Amendment lover in this country must care about Bob, is that we not lose our 2nd Amendment rights. And yet, John Hickenlooper, and I want you to tell the story, is totally into Mike Bloomberg, and got caught in a bold-faced lie this week.

BB: He did. Michael Bloomberg was the money, the power behind these anti-gun bills in the first place. And the Democrat governors, or the Democrat legislature passed the bills. Hickenlooper signed those bills into law in 2013. And this all kind of blew up. It certainly didn’t happen in one event, but the sheriffs were part of the opposition back in 2013, saying we’ve got a problem with these, this legislation. One, we think it’s unconstitutional, two, we don’t think it will improve public safety, and three, we can’t enforce them if you do go ahead and pass them. So they made a specific request, we want to explain this to you, Governor, and he wouldn’t meet with them, denied a meeting with the sheriffs. A short while ago, a matter of weeks ago, the sheriffs association had a meeting up in Aspen. He went up to it and admitted to them that he hadn’t done his homework on these bills, probably shouldn’t have signed these bills, basically apologized for it, said he didn’t know the sheriffs wanted to meet with him. Well, all he had to do was part the blinds on his office. They’re right outside the steps. They were, literally, right outside on the steps. And of course, it was in all the newspapers. And then he told the sheriffs that he had never talked to Michael Bloomberg about this, when his own records, and released months earlier, had already shown that they’d had a couple phone calls, and even a face to face meeting about it. Bloomberg’s now since bragged about having passed this legislation in Colorado, and so the Governor is caught in a, well, I’ll be polite, a path of less-than-truthful statements. And you know, if you’re not going to shoot straight with somebody, it’s never a good idea in politics, but certainly not with sheriffs.

HH: Now I don’t, I don’t have to shoot straight with anyone, and I get to be a talk show host. So if an incumbent governor is caught lying about supporting gun control, and not just lying, but talking to a group of sheriffs about it, lying to law enforcement, how does that not end his campaign? Honestly, how can you lie to law enforcement and expect people in a state to trust you?

BB: Well, yeah, if you’re not going to respect sheriffs…

HH: Right.

BB: If you’re not going to respect your sheriffs, your chief law enforcement officers elected by the people, by the way, how can you have respect, or how can the people believe you have respect for them? And I think that’s what’s gnawing at his numbers. John’s enjoyed some favorability, pretty high favorability, and you know, as recently as six months, three months ago, people would have said he probably can’t be beaten. We believed otherwise, because we believed there was more to the story. This is but one piece of evidence, Hugh, one piece of evidence that he has been detached, a hands-off leader. When he makes decisions, often they’re the wrong ones. And often times, as in the case of the Nathan Dunlap case, which you’re probably going to want to talk about…

HH: I do. I want to talk a lot about Nathan Dunlap.

BB: He won’t even make the decision. So that’s not, you know, he kind of got along for a long while on this kind of geeky, quirky personality. But at some point, geeky and quirky changes to what’s up with that, and I think we’re kind of what’s up with that now.

HH: Well, talk to me a little about, Bob Beauprez is one of the nicest guys I know in politics, and Mitt Romney’s one of the nicest guys I know in politics. And Mitt stopped punching three weeks out, because he was ahead. So now you’re ahead. Are you going to stop punching?

BB: No. We’re going to continue to expose his record. I think it’s been a record of failed leadership, and people say are you willing to get down in the dirt. And you know, that’s a cliché, that’s a phrase that’s out there. I remind them of what I did for a lot of, to call what…

HH: A dairy farmer.

BB: Yeah, yeah. To call that dirt is cleaning it up considerably. I’ve worked hard before in my life, and that campaign that you were a part of in 2002, we didn’t leave anything on the table then, either. You know, I don’t enjoy going real nasty. I don’t think we have to go nasty. But we are certainly going to draw a contrast. And I think the biggest contrast, Hugh, is in leadership. And that’s where John Hickenlooper’s really fallen down. And you know, I tell people very candidly, if he doesn’t want to lead, I will, kind of send me in, coach, because this state deserves better than what they’ve been getting.

HH: Well, they’re already hitting you. Marc Holtzman, when he ran against you and lost years ago, invented both ways Bob, which was unfair then. But they’re using it now, just like Cory Gardner’s being attacked as an anti-abortion extremist. I mean, they’ll say and do anything, Bob. So how do you fight back against recycled attacks that are not true, but which they’re just going to saturate? I can remember some races here. You haven’t got that many media markets. So it’s pretty easy to like slime Bob Beauprez 24/7.

BB: Yeah, well, you know, I’ve been criticized for various things over my life, Hugh, but nobody’s ever really been able to blame, stick, leave me with a tag of not being principled. And I am all of that. I tell people I’m my father’s son, and I mean that in a very flattering way, because he was a very principled, strong-willed man. And we’re going to introduce, reintroduce me to the whole state and let them get to know who’s really behind this face and this name. And I hope that the vast majority of people in Colorado, obviously, believe that I’m the kind of leader, the kind of person with the experience, the background, diverse experience to know this whole state, and that really trusts in people. John, on the other hand, comes from a place where apparently he doesn’t trust people. He think you’ve got to regulate them and restrict them and control them virtually everything they do, think or say. And even worse than that, it hasn’t been him doing it. It’s been his staff, his underlings, the people around him, he’s been so detached. That’s not the kind of leadership that Colorado wants nor needs.

HH: When we come back from the break, I’m going to have you tell the story about Nathan Dunlap, or talk about it. But in brief, we’ve got a minute and a half to the break, I don’t know what crime, the specific of the Nathan Dunlap crime. People cringe when they talk about it. I don’t know why it’s so awful to people. They don’t, they just say Nathan Dunlap should have been executed. Hickenlooper did not do that. What was his argument?

BB: He didn’t really have one. He said he couldn’t make the call. Colorado has a death penalty provision. We use it extremely rarely. There’s only three people on death row. Nathan Dunlap’s been there for over 20 years. He got mad one night, walked into a Chuck E. Cheese, and blew some people away, some innocent people. And he’s gone though, now, 20 years of our justice system, including multiple appeals, failed every single one of them. His execution date was set, per our state law, by a judge. All John Hickenlooper had to do was let the law be carried out. He intervened and gave him a reprieve. He certainly had the power as governor to grant him clemency, to say I’ve had an epiphany somehow, and I’m now anti-death penalty. He could have done that. But he didn’t do that. And he didn’t allow him to be executed. He simply said I can’t make up my mind, so I’ll leave it to the next governor, a stay, if you will, in legal terms, a stay of his execution.

HH: I honestly cannot believe that.

BB: Well, and he took an oath, he took an oath, Hugh…

HH: To uphold the laws of the state of Colorado.

BB: Uphold and enforce the laws of the state of Colorado, and had to know this was coming. It wasn’t a surprise. And yet when the dial came around and he had to make the decision, he made no decision.

HH: An open-ended stay of execution, you know, I’ve been teaching law for 16 years. I’ve been practicing law for 30-plus. I’m in a major national law firm that does pro bono work or criminal people on occasion. I just do not think I’ve ever heard of it. I think it’s actually unprecedented in the annuls of spinelessness.

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HH: Sitting next to me is the next governor of this great state, Bob Beauprez, former Congressman, former member of the, chairman of the state party, banker, buffalo rancher, I don’t know why you got into buffalo ranching. This is a great picture, by the way. Eagles Wings Natural Bison is Bob’s buffalo ranch. Dairy farmer, man of Colorado, going to be a great governor, and we were talking before the break about Nathan Dunlap, whom John Hickenlooper, the incumbent, refused both to allow to be executed, or allow to be commuted, not making a decision, punting. That might be an NFL record punt. That’s the biggest punt I’ve ever heard of, actually. That would be a record breaker. Now the Aurora killer has not yet been condemned and convicted, but if he is, as people expect he will be, and as people expect, unless he’s insane, judges insane, he’ll get the death penalty given the ferocity of it. How in the world is John going to distinguish between a mass murderer of four and a mass murderer of I think 17?

BB: Well, that would obviously be a conundrum for John, but he won’t be around. In Colorado, we take a very long, very deliberative process before we ever execute anybody. Nathan Dunlap’s been on death row for over 20 years now. And now his day has finally come. So it is a very long, very arduous, very involved process under Colorado law. Nathan Dunlap’s been through that entire process, exhausted every appeal, failed every single one of them, and now his day has come. You raised the right question about James Holmes, the Aurora theater killer. And I don’t know how John can reconcile that. I think with John, I’d guess it’s a little day to day and circumstance by circumstance rather than principle really guiding decisions.

HH: Has anyone in the Colorado media sat down with Governor Hickenlooper on the gun issue or the commutation issue and actually talked to him, because you can’t sustain either position. You can’t sustain a lie under cross examination or deliberate question like I’m doing you, and you can’t sustain an open-ended stay of execution, because there’s no there there. There’s no principle at the bottom of either of those. Has anyone done that on the record in front of a camera on a microphone?

BB: Unknown to me if it has happened. John’s been pretty invisible of late. He shows up at some social events and the like, but really has done very little media interviews. We’re anxious to get him on a debate stage, as you can imagine, and do some of that kind of questioning ourselves, and see if he can explain himself. I don’t think he can, because as you point out, those are just indefensible positions. After he had his encounter with the sheriffs, he took a little, more than a little heat for what was labeled as the apology and then the lies in Aspen with the sheriffs. He took a lot of heat from the pro-gun control side, who urged him to sign all those bills. And so then he found himself apologizing for having apologized. And you know how that worm turns.

HH: Yeah, I don’t think weather vanes do well as governor. Tell me now about Proposition 66, because it’s like a three strikes and you’re out of the statehouse. Proposition 66 was a massive tax hike. I knew this was going to lose. From California, I could see the big L all over it. And John Hickenlooper put the big H all over Yes on 66. You were opposed to it. Tell the national audience what it proposed, and again, this is guns, death penalty, fracking. What was this all about?

BB: A billion dollar tax increase supposedly for the children, of course. It always is, and this was supposed to go to education. It would have instituted for the first time a progressive income tax in Colorado. And you know, as blue as some thought Colorado had become, voters weren’t going to be fooled by this one. 62 out of 64 of our countries threw it right back in his face, and it was defeated by about a 2-1 margin, an enormous defeat. When you look at that and the recall elections in Colorado, which I know you followed as well, after the gun legislation, the overreach of the gun legislation, that told me, Hugh, that Colorado was a little bit like the Colorado I had always known, a very independent-minded people that don’t like to be pushed around by government, a little pliable, maybe, but the pendulum can swing a little one way, a little the other, and we all kind of figure out a way to exist. But 66, the gun bills, his Nathan Dunlap decision are probably three of the biggest examples of his failed leadership.

HH: When we come back from break, we’re going to talk about fracking, because I have a favorite quote from Daniel Day Lewis movie, don’t drink your milkshake. And if Colorado doesn’t go get its oil and natural gas, Wyoming’s going to, or Kansas, or whoever else gets there first. The technology is not directional, right? You can make turns now. And he’s against it. And I do not understand how anyone can stand in the face of the future and not want energy, and not want it in an environmentally safe, economically vibrant way. So we’ll talk about fracking and lots more.

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HH: If you elect him, I might actually move here finally. I’ve been threatening to do it for years, but I’m not going to do it with Hickenlooper here. And I’m telling you right now, fracking is one of the reasons, because I think this state’s going to be wealthy, wealthy, wealthy if it will go get its energy, Bob Beauprez. And by the way, you can help Bob out at www.bobbeauprez.com, up to $1,100 dollars. So Bob, about fracking, where is Beauprez?

BB: Well, I’m pro-fracking, because I’m pro-good science driving good policy. And the science is overwhelming. It’s, this isn’t brand new. It’s brand new to a lot of people, but as you know, Hugh, we’ve been fracking wells in the United States for over 60 years. Over a million of those wells have been fracked. Even people like Lisa Jackson, when she was the EPA administrator for Barack Obama, far from some right wing extremist, quite the opposite, she was selected because of her radical environmental views. She had to testify under oath to Congress, to the House and Senate both, that no evidence of fracking ever contaminating ground water. And yet, we’ve got these myths out there, and this attempt to run the fracking and the energy industry out of my great state. We ought to be celebrating the fact that people have figured out how to get these natural resources, how to do it efficiently and safely, give us affordable, sustainable supplies of energy, better than we have ever had in the history of mankind. And it can happen right here in this state. We ought to be celebrating that, not punishing that. And yet that’s what we’ve got going on, and that’s what the Governor’s been part of, kind of drawn in to that element, and he knows better, because he’s a geologist. He knows better.

HH: Now as a result, the housing market’s not the greatest market in the world. It’s not as terrible, it never tanked as badly, but it hasn’t come back in the way it has in some places. I think people are afraid of the economic future here. Are you certain that if he, if you don’t get the fracking, if you don’t go get your stuff, you see Colorado growing in the future?

BB: Oh, it’s the key to our whole economy, Hugh. There’s, the CU School of Business, the Leeds School of Business up there, did a study and asked that essential question. And if we create X number of new jobs, how many indirect jobs do we get? How do we grow the jobs part of the economy? And they came back with the standard 2.1, 2.2 like you typically do. But then they asked the key question. What if it’s energy jobs? And the multiplier, Hugh, is 4.6, because energy, one, those jobs pay pretty good. That’s nice. But the key is that energy is foundational to everything we do in our economy, everything. And you know, that phrase we’ve used for most of my life, imagine we could be energy independent, Hugh, it’s no longer a dream.

HH: Yeah.

BB: We can do that, and Colorado can be a big part of it.

HH: Well, we’re actually doing it in my home state of Ohio. And in Ohio, the economy is booming. And energy is freedom. It’s freedom from unemployment, it’s freedom for the country. It’s freedom.

BB: Well, and our national security.

HH: Yeah, you betcha. Last question before we run out of time, I got here on time and I wanted to buy a cigar. So I looked up smokes, you know, cigar store, got three places in and around Denver and Lakewood. Wouldn’t walk into any of them. They were head shops. And you’ve got a big problem in this state. And what does Bob Beauprez think about it? And what did John Hickenlooper do to stop it?

BB: Well, he did next to nothing to stop it. He certainly didn’t get out in front of it, didn’t speak his mind. But after the fact, he said gee, I hate this experiment. Well, where were you before the vote?

HH: No, he didn’t. Did he really?

BB: Oh, yes he did. Yes, he did. He told the Durango Herald. I hate this experiment. Well…and therefore, and why not, and that’s what I mean by at some point, you go from geeky and kind of cute to what’s up with that. And we’re at the what’s up with that. Now it’s in our constitution, Hugh. That’s the problem. It’s in our constitution. And so my job as governor is going to be to get our arms around this as tight as we can, regulate it as tight as we can within the law. We’ve really got a massive educational challenge. We don’t want it to get in the hands of our little ones. But the other big piece of this education, I know you’re on a tight time frame, so I’ll be brief. We’ve got a whole raft of people that can’t pass drug background checks, so they can’t get a job. I’ve got a friend who’s a nurse administrator, had eight openings, advertised for them, posted for them, got down to what they thought were their eight finalists, did the drug background screens before the final interview. Hugh, they went 0 for 8 with nurse applicants.

HH: Wow, I just read the Weekly Standard piece on edibles entering into elementary and junior high school kids. It’s an unregulable problem. How do you amend the constitution here?

BB: Well, it’s got to come from the people again, or we could do a referral from the state legislature. But the people are going to have to get their thinking around whether or not they want to change this, if this was a bad experiment. It’s going to have to come from them. I can’t do it with the pen, like…

HH: President Obama, right.

BB: But I certainly can be a big piece of making sure we regulate it as tightly as we can, support law enforcement’s efforts as they’ll be key to it. But the educational piece, I think we’ve got to educate the population to really the unintended consequences, the dangers of this, and do we really want to go there as a society. I know many think we should. Many think it’s the worse thing we’ve ever done. Many haven’t figured out exactly where we’re at, yet. So we’re in that rock and a hard place right now.

HH: It’s a situation that calls for leadership, and it’s been great talking to you this long. I know you’re running out the door. That’s what this election is about, in my view. It’s about leadership. You cannot like to sheriffs. You cannot support tax hikes. You cannot be indifferent to Nathan being on death row and saying I’ll punt for a hundred years. And you cannot say I’m sorry marijuana passed and our kids are stoned. I mean, I don’t even know how he’s in this hunt, but he is an incumbent, and that means a lot when it comes to gathering up money.

BB: We’re going to make our case that Colorado deserves a whole lot better. And you know, if I’m the standard bearer for this great state, I’m honored to carry that banner. I’ve lived here all my life. I think I know Colorado very, very well. I’m as comfortable in the sale barns on the eastern plains or a drilling rig on the West Slope, or the boardrooms in downtown Denver. I love this state. It’s the only place I’ve ever made my home, the only place I want to be my home. And we’re just a whole lot better than what we’re getting from John Hickenlooper and the Democrats. I’m going to make the case that it’s time for a change, and time for new leadership, and I hope and pray that the folks of Colorado will give me that opportunity.

HH: When’s early voting start here?

BB: October 14th, I believe, ballots actually go in the mail, and it’s an all-mail ballot election this year.

HH: You worried about fraud? We’ve got 30 seconds.

BB: Yes, of course I am. It’s extremely easy to do with mail in ballots, so of course we’re concerned about it.

HH: Well, folks, that’s another reason that you need to write $1,100 dollar check to Bob Beauprez or a $10 dollar check or a $100 dollar check. They’re going to have to be teamed up on the lawyers. www.bobbeauprez.com. Also support the Republican Governors Association, www.rga.org, because they’re also in the right here and all across the country. Bob Beauprez, good to see you again, friend. I’ll see you before and often on the radio before this election and before your inauguration.

BB: Thanks, Hugh.

End of interview.

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