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HH: Good morning and evening grace, America. It’s Hugh Hewitt. Thanks for listening. This is a special hour of The Hugh Hewitt Show and although it’s being broadcast originally on Friday, October 14th when I’m in Phoenix, I’m sure I’m going to be playing it every year on or around Father’ Day that I’m on the air and I’m blessed to be on the air because this is really an hour about how to be a dad. It’s about a book Growing Up Colt which is about a fellow you might have heard before Colt McCoy, great University of Texas quarterback. Now, a great quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, but it’s co-authored by his dad, Brad McCoy. Coach Brad McCoy very successful high school football coach over many years. He’s now a partner in the Flippen Group and also an author of another book, Home Field Advantage. Coach McCoy, welcome to the program, great to have you.

BM: Thanks, Hugh. It’s great to be here.

HH: I got to say at the beginning that this is a terrific book, but it’s not at all what I expected. It is very much a book about how to be a father. Is that what you set out to write?

BM: You know Hugh, it was really kind of crazy. Colt and I had both had never thought about writing a book. It was most deals where when they [the publishing company] came to us and asked us about it, both of us were kind of well we can’t write a book. Colt’s take was you know I don’t want to presume that I have done anything. I haven’t won a Super Bowl. I haven’t done anything that merits writing a book. We were all kind of saying well. . . the guys at the publishing company sat down and said look, we’re interested – people are interested in knowing how a father-son combination that has stayed closed all these years plus the father was the high school coach of the son who was a great player and came from a small school in Texas and ended doing all the things he did nationally at Texas and now in the NFL. It was really just an ask can we talk about some of the things maybe that helped get him to a certain place in life not that he’s done as much as he’s gonna do but what are some of the little things that helped him get along. So it was a neat process for us and to go through as family and look at some of the things that were special to me and special to Colt and put them down on paper.

HH: Now I have never done this before, Coach McCoy. I have ordered 3 of these books. Two for young men and one for a young dad for their Christmas presents already because I think they will read them and be touched and inspired by the 2 stories, especially the young dad on the lessons you lay out here. Before I go down that road and talk about a bunch of stuff like Steelers fans and all that other good stuff, I want to start maybe in an unusual place with two subjects. I want you to tell the audience about Grant Heinz and I want to you tell them your other son, Case. You have three sons. Case had an illness which I didn’t know about until I read this book and it kind of sets up my premise that life is hard even if you are an NFL quarterback -pull the page back and life can be hard. Tell people about Grant.

BM: Well, both of those are great interesting questions. I think just before I say that just an answer to your suggestion there that I think people look at kids like Colt and Case and the glamour of what they’ve done and the stardom and all that and think how lucky they were. I have to talk to people about the sacrifices that these kids make to get to that level. Yes, they are talented and God has really blessed them with abilities and different things, but there is a huge amount of social sacrifices that those kids have to make to get to where they are today in that era. So, great question but as far as Grant – Grant is, was a nephew, my wife’s sister’s son, that my wife Deborah grew up in the Atlanta area and most of her family is still there, and so we had contact with Grant and his brothers and sisters as they grew up through reunions and as we grew up in the family and Colt and his cousins and they would get together and it wasn’t an everyday process with Grant but it was a fun reunion time, cousin time. We saw him every year at least once and usually twice and so they grew up together. Going to grandpa’s house and seeing things – you’re normal American kids that grew up together, one in Texas, one in Atlanta and then would get together for vacations and grandparents homes and such. Grant graduated and wanted to serve. He enlisted and went into the Marines and was at a peace time when he went in obviously and started going through some of basic training. During the middle of his basic we invaded Bagdad, and Grant was actually taken and finished his basic training over in Iraq and then was in one of the first tanks that rolled into Bagdad in that invasion. Some of the stories that he told us and his cousins as he got back and some of things he saw just tough, tough time for a 18-year old kid to see in his life.

HH: He died young and Colt dedicated his senior season to him. I just never read that story before, but when you lose your first cousin that’s a tough thing.

BM: It was. Grant actually served two tours over there and came back and the post tramatic stress syndrome-he was one of the guys that had it when he came back. He just never got over it and passed away here in the States about a year later and it was very tragic. It was a tough time for all of and all of the family. The following season Coach Brown at Texas always asked his players to find someone to dedicate their season to. It’s usually not publicized very much, but find someone that you really want to play for and let’s do some things for that and Colt picked Grant after that accident that had happened. Obviously, he told Coach Brown who he was playing for and that story got out and really was special to our family and to Grant’s parents and was special to Colt that season.

HH: I also want to talk about your son Case known to anyone who loves football, but what Colt McCoy reveals in one of his sections in the book Growing Up Colt which you co-author with him, is that Case was sick as a young kid and you spent a lot of time on the road to a pediatric hospital and then when Colt is at the University of Texas he began a habit of making every home game Friday a visit to the Pediatric Cancer ward at the local hospital.

BM: Yes. Case obviously he is doing well now. He was in this disease for about ten years. It started when he was about four and went till he was about 13 or 14 years old and it was a form -it’s Scleroderma which is pretty well known disease but his was called morphea’s disease and it was a disease that affected the skin tissues and the muscles and joints and very debilitating disease and it has taken a toll on Case even though he’s overcome and is a great football player himself, but the struggles and the fights that we had to go through as young parents and as young kids was amazing. We had to through different hospitals and ended up at Scottish Right’s Children’s Hospital in Dallas, and we would make a trip there for most of those 10 years. We would make a trip every month which was about a four hour drive to get to Scottish Right’s and to all the things that we needed to do a day in the hospital every month Most of the time the kids were young. Colt and Chance were just a little older and it would be a family day and we talked about what Case was having to go through and that they were gong to be there to support him. They didn’t always want to go, but we always went. They spent a day and I think that was some of Colt’s roots that he saw. He would go in that children’s hospital and those wards where there were children just everywhere that were just really, really struggles in their lives and whatever their disease and whatever their debilitating condition was. We actually saw a couple of professional athletes that had come through when Colt was young and he watched those guys come through and visit with the kids. I think that was the seed for him as he got started in his career. He remembers all those trips and how he supported his brother and he saw how the other kids were really didn’t have the opportunity to ever play or do things like Colt was going to have the opportunities to do. He just developed a really passion in his heart for kids and especially those kids that didn’t have the same abilities that he had. When he got to Texas that was where he wanted to go and that’s where he wanted to serve and mission to. Now that he’s in the NFL his mission is also is children’s hospital and that’s what he is really supporting here in Central Texas a hospital called Scott & White who is building a children’s hospital here in Central Texas and Colt has joined with them to sponsor and work with them on that. It was a long 10 years for all of us as we grew through that, but I do think that is where Colt’s passion and love for really helping kids really started.

HH: It also comes at the end of a couple of chapters where we learn that daddy Burrough your father and you both had great disappointments before you’re kids began to run into disappointments. He got screwed by the National AAU. He could have been an Olympian in the hurdles. You blew out your knee as a high school football player. We have about a minute until the break Brad McCoy but if you read Growing Up Colt one message and I don’t even know if you intended this but life is tough and be ready for it because nobody get’s a free pass.

BM: It really is, Hugh. When you really look at it, it doesn’t matter who we are or what we do there are struggles that we have to fight through and a lot of this book is about the struggles. Not that we’re the perfect family or the perfect dad or coach or perfect football player as Colt, but just the opposite. We’re very average, very normal we struggle through things that everybody struggles through and the point is to get back up.

HH: Get back up and I’ll be right back with Brad McCoy, co-author with Colt McCoy, Growing Up Colt. It’s linked at HughHewitt.com. Terrific book. Go and get it. Don’t go anywhere. It’s the Hugh Hewitt Show.

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HH: Twenty-one minutes after the hour, America. It’s a special hour of the broadcast of The Hugh Hewitt Show with Brad McCoy. Coach McCoy is with the FlippenGroup.com. He is the father of Colt McCoy and Chance McCoy and Case McCoy and the husband of Deborah McCoy and it’s terrific book that I encourage you to get. It’s also a great deal about faith. The McCoy’s are all Christians. They put their faith in Jesus Christ and everyone learned that on a very sad Rose Bowl, Bowl Championship Series, National Championship game a couple of years back when Colt was hit and injured. A freak accident. He walked out after the game which Texas had lost and in which he had been largely unable to play except for the first series and was approached by Lisa Salters, a Texas sideline reporter for ABC. I want to play that audio and then talk to Brad McCoy About it.

LS: “Colt, what was it like for you to watch this game, your last game in a Long Horn uniform from the sideline?”

CM: “I love this game. I have a passion for this game and I’ve done everything that I can do to contribute to my team and we made it this far and it’s unfortunate that I didn’t get to play. I’ve would have given everything I had to be out there with my team but congratulations Alamaba. I love the way our team fought and Gary Gilbert stepped in there and played about as good as he could play. He did a tremendous job and I always give God the glory. I never question why things happen the way they do. God is in control of my life and I know if nothing else I’m standing on the rock.”

HH: Brad McCoy that may be the most gracious moment in sports I’ve ever seen recorded. I cold have been so different. I don’t think you even saw it happening did you?

BM: No, I didn’t. I was actually in the stadium and had no idea if they had even interviewed Colt after the game. It had been a really long night and kind of a tragedy for our little football family at that end of that career, but I started getting text messages and everything on my phone and I still didn’t ever see that interview until probably 1 or 2 in the morning and; obviously, I still get emotional when I hear or see it now. Just the faith and preparation and the way that he found those words that night to influence people-I had multiple calls over the next few months from Preachers and Pastors and Rabis and clergyman from every faith almost. They wanted to preach that and they wanted to tell me in no uncertain terms that Colt could have won the National Championship and been the MVP, but he would have never have had the eternal influence on a nation or our world than he did in defeat, while he was hurt and while he was devastated to still be able to find those words was really healing to a lot of people.

HH: Now Brad McCoy, I can remember I’m a football junkie and I was watching the game and I was rooting for Texas although I’m an Ohio State Notre Dame fan, but in that game I don’t want Texas to lose– I was charmed by the Colt McCoy story. But you went down to the locker room and they cut away a couple of times and you were walking with your son and I’m just curious what were you – how were you collecting yourself and trying to advise a young man who has just had the world-everything he worked for – I don’t even know how you cope with that as a dad, but I’m sure the audience would like to know.

BM: Well it was and I’ve talked to audiences about that and for anyone that’s ever lost a child and had a death in a family I apologize because this was a football game, but it was a huge moment in our family. Colt had never been an individual award. He didn’t play to win the Heisman. He didn’t play to win the Davey O’Brien all the things that he won and sat for the Heisman twice. Those really weren’t it. His goal in his football life was to take his team to the National Championship and win it and that was it. He had fought himself and fought the teams for five years and finally got to that stage and the way it happened and the way he was taken out of it was devastating to him. It was devastating to his dad and to his high school coach because it was a big night for me to witness all that and I finally made my way down underneath the stadium. It’s not an easy task to get on the stadium floor of a BSC National Championship.

HH: Yeah.

BM: That was an ordeal in itself. When I got down there it was just him and it was Raul and it was -I just don’t understand and his whole premise was get back. I’m going to get back. I’m going to get my arm back. The feeling is going to come back. Obviously everybody knows it never did. We tried to play catch and warm up the second half underneath the Rose Bowl and the team had gone back out and the game had started and I’m hearing the cheers of 110,000 above me trying to play catch with my son and warm up and it’s like he’s 4 or 5 years old and your throwing the ball in the back yard and he can’t even throw it. It just doesn’t work. So emotional for me and for him to come to that realization that at that point it wasn’t happening– what God’s intentions were for him for that night and we wouldn’t know until a half-time later at the end of the game what the intentions were and what Colt’s open door would be that night. For us it was just a tragedy that he wasn’t able to play and wasn’t able to help his team.

HH: Can you even recall Brad McCoy, I don’t think I read it in Growing Up Colt what you said to him and at that moment did you try and say hey, it will get better or did you say, hey this might be really bad or did you say, let’s take it a five minute stretch at a time – what did you say to him?

BM: We talked about that-just trust. You could come back at any point. It may not come back at all. Obviously, it was six months before it came back, but we talked about those things that we go through life and we go through games and we go through everything else and sometimes it’s not fair and sometimes there’s no explanation and for sure it’s not the way we want it. You had to rely on your faith a lot and it was hard that night because we had no answer and it’s exactly opposite what we wanted. What I wanted that night turned out the opposite way because that’s the way he had always wanted it. It was just wasn’t. The things we talked about were how much I loved him and how much he had done and he nothing to hang his head about and this will pass. If it comes back, we’ll be ready but if it doesn’t, we’ll deal with it and we’ll go on. You know, I talked to Colt-one of the things that we talked about and I have talked a lot about to audiences is that at that point Colt McCoy one of the winningest-well was the winningest quarterback to ever play the game and had won all these awards-at that point to a nation Colt McCoy was made to look weak and broken. To me there’s a lot of similarities there-to us. Sometimes we have to get broken for the Lord to use us in a way that he wants to use us. I think that’s what happened.

HH: Do you think he was prepared Brad McCoy by going down to Puru? This mission trip to Iquitos is pretty amazing where the kids don’t know Colt McCoy from Adam. He’s just a kid.

BM: Sure. Things that like were very influential in preparing Colt for those moments. I really feel like that. He loved those two trips to Puru and the mission work that he did. One of the reasons was because they didn’t know who he was and he was just a kid helping other kids over there. It changed his life as far as understanding. He came back and told me that he’ll never gripe about not having anything or about anything he has because they have nothing and they are happy and they love life.

HH: That’s what I think with faith the practice in humility that he had prepared him for that game. I’ll be right back. Brad McCoy is my guest. He’s the co-author with his son, Colt McCoy, of the wonderful book Growing Up Colt. We’ll talk more when we return. Don’t go anywhere. It’s the Hugh Hewitt Show.

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HH: It’s thirty-four minutes after the hour, America. It’s Hugh Hewitt. I will indeed talk some football with Coach Brad McCoy before this hour is over, but this special hour of The Hugh Hewitt Show conversation with Brad McCoy who is along with his son, Colt McCoy, the author of Growing Up Colt, terrific book. A great Christmas present for a young man in your life or any young dad in your life who wants to kind of get a glimpse down the road of what’s ahead if they want to do it right.

Coach, I want to talk to you a second about coaching. On page 191 you write, “I’ve always tried to be just that type of inspirational coach for my players in order to get the players to go beyond what they thought they were capable of. I put a lot of emphasis on the relationship part of coaching. I got close to my kids, made them feel important, constantly stressed the value of teamwork, and they saw my passion for preparing them to play their very best, most of them bought into the program as another old saying goes.” Brad McCoy, it seems to me that in this epic of fatherlessness out there coaches are getting tasked with a lot more than they ever had before or that you would have had at Loveland, New Mexico or at your first or second job in Texas. Do you see that? That coaches have a job to do now that’s just different than they used to do?

BM: Absolutely, Hugh. The responsibility is unbelievable and that’s primarily why I’m doing what I’m doing. I coached for 27 years and loved every minute of it. Now, I’m working as a coaches consultant and I’m working with coaches from professional all the way down to high school levels across the nation in a program called “Coaching Greatness.” It’s a 2-day seminar where we go in and talk about the influence and character issues and what we have to do to really understand our role as coaches and how can we coach better and how can we get more performance out of the kids. It is a tremendous passion for me because in a world were it is so fatherless, we’re talking about a statistic a couple of years ago where there were over 21 million boys under the age of 18 that are in athletics right now in the United States that do not have fathers or who do not know who their fathers are and so. . .

HH: Wait! Twenty-one million?

BM: Yes, over. It’s statistically over 21 million boys under the age of 18 that only have a mother in the home. Most of those boys see a coach every day and the coaches sometimes don’t understand and don’t realize the power that they have and the influence that they can over kids – not just for life and football and growing up and could make-get an education and a living out of that but even for those kids that never will, but you’re grounding them and showing them principles about how to be great men, how to be great dads and husbands and businessmen of the world and I think sports teaches that. If you’ve got the right coaches it can be a great lesson.

HH: Right in here “I saw the results of the lack of parental discipline everyday on the practice field. I could tell which kids were never told “no” in their lives. They were used to doing exactly what they wanted to do.” You’re big on discipline. In fact you got fired once for being too hard on kids and what about coaches today? Are they hard enough or the right about?

BM: Well you know there’s extremes. There are some that are and some that aren’t. I just think there is a balance. You have to have relationships. I think your relational capacity with your kids is the most important things. If you have that relational capacity, then you’re able to discipline more and they love you and they know it’s the best thing for them. If you’re a throw-back coach and its all about punishment and fear then you’re not gonna grow those relationships with kids and, therefore, they are not going to have the kind of relationship that you can discipline and still learn things out of that. I think it is very important for the relationship aspect and to those kids. Then I feel like you have to be disciplined. Kids are wanting discipline. They may not ask you for it, but in this world where they are they are wanting to do the right things, and they are wanting to be disciplined, and they are wanting to have a consequence when they don’t to do the right things. I think great coaches figure that out.

HH: Brad McCoy, I want you talk to the kids who are riding around in the car right now either in the backseat or they are driving at 16 and they are either the third string or they don’t play because they are not very good. You are a super coach with super kids and super athletes and success, how did you coach you’re third string?

BM: Well I try to make all those kids feel important. The kids on the bench were the most important things. They were the foundation. They were the bottom of the iceberg that you never saw. Without those kids the stars couldn’t – they couldn’t become stars. It takes us all. You just have to find roles. They’re members of the body and they are all not glamorous, but they all have a role and I try to make kids understand that and make them feel special. I think it’s an intentional thing. I think kids have to see that there’s an intentional role and what they have and build those and be an intentional man and be an intentional coach when you are coaching them. It’s tough. I’m not going to say that it is easy. It is a tough role for kids. I mean I’m living in it right now. I’ve been a coach forever. I’ve got kids playing at high level. I’ve got a son that’s a quarterback at the University of Texas that’s fighting to try and play. He’s not being given anything and he’s working hard to get there, but it’s a struggle every day to make those things happen and you want more and more but sometimes you have to settle for what you get today and it’s just an intentional plat every day and having faith that you’re working hard and you’re doing the right things and they’ll pay off in the end.

HH: I’ll be right back with Brad McCoy author along with Colt McCoy of Growing Up Colt. Stay tuned. It’s linked at HughHewitt.com.

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HH Forty-four minutes after the hour, America. It’s Hugh Hewitt talking with Brad McCoy. I knew this would be a terrific interview because the book is. It’s called Growing Up Colt by Colt McCoy, quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, and his father, a terrific high school coach with the Flippen Group, Brad McCoy. Coach McCoy something you said in the last segment has just stuck with me that there are 21 million kids without dads in sports. I wonder if they are listening. What do you say to them about now having a dad?

BM: Well, you know I think it’s really important and once again I feel so sorry for those kids because that’s a tough place to be in and understand how that works. Let me give you that stat right quick. Last year, I’m looking it up here – in the United States there were 13.7 million single parents. Eighty-four percent of those single parents were single moms and currently are raising 21.8 million kids under the age of 18.

HH: So its boy and girls. Okay, but they are all in sports — they could all be in sports.

BM: They could all well be in sports. For those kids – even when my wife and I which we’ve tried to be great intentional parents we tried to put people in those kids lives that we felt like we’re a voice that we want them to hear. Some of them were adults, and I think it is important that we place people in our kids lives that can help and they just hear another voice. They may have been saying the same thing that dad was saying but sometimes they hear it differently. With those kids you encourage them to find those voices, find those positive encouraging voices and like we said in the last segment, so many times that male voice especially is the coach. Because it’s a coach, because it’s athletics, because a lot of kids see this could be my ticket out of my situation. That coach becomes hugely important in the development and what he says and that’s why I do what I do. That’s why it’s a passion to me to help build stronger coaches because they understand how important their role is.

HH: Let me ask you a question. I’ve got a niece who is married to the Offensive Coordinator at the Notre Dame University up in Cleveland and I’m amazed at how hard he works. I know how hard coaches work, but Deborah, your wife, she raises these extraordinary boys with you and a great marriage, but a word to coaches spouses Coach McCoy, and the road and how you recommend that they walk it?

BM: Well, right. In today’s world and football coaching it takes an exceptional amount of time. Sometimes we overdue that. Sometimes we can over coach it. I was very cognoscente that wife was home with 3 kids and also that my coaches had kids at home too and our responsibility primarily is to our kids. How can we raise everybody else’s if we can’t raise our own? I was very cognoscente of that and made sure that we didn’t overdue it, but a coaches spouse whether it’s male or female they are so important to the success of those coaches and the support system that they have-an understanding that there’s going to be a lot times when those guys are going to be gone and working. At the same time, guys don’t overdue it. Don’t be gone when you don’t have to. There’s a lot of sacrifices that I made and that coaches make socially. I didn’t go to the golf course all the time. I didn’t get to go fishing like I wanted to and didn’t go on trips with my buddies that did things that weren’t coaching because either I was coaching and instead of doing all those things we just made a choice to be at home. If I went somewhere recreationally, I took the kids and the family and went camping a lot. We just did family things that didn’t take me away because I was away so much in the coaching world. I would caution coaches to be careful about that and coaches wives are special people.

HH: I’ve got to also ask you about your willingness to embarrass your boys when you needed to and the apartment-finding Colt a place to live in Dallas is about the funniest story in this book as he sits there and you’re just driving around trying to find a place to put him so he doesn’t get everything that goes on at what’s it called Jasper Hall? I can’t remember what it’s called – Jester Hall.

BM: Yes, it’s a huge dorm and you know that’s a whole other story when you take your first born and you drop off in Austin, Texas and you put him in a dorm that’s co-ed with about 7,000 kids. It’s amazing what that does to you as a dad, but it didn’t work out because when Colt got to be a starter and really got some fame and fortune going about him and he just couldn’t sleep. The girls and the offers and everything and the people that were bothering him all night long so Mac was able to let him off campus and we go in a house that was really bad, in a really bad neighborhood and we had to get him out. Mac said find a place where nobody can find him. I had Colt that he needed to find a little widow lady somewhere that had a big house and rent a room from her and he told me that I was nuts. That didn’t happen in Austin, Texas and dad didn’t know much. It just was one day before the semester started and we had to get something done and I drove around and I drove up in an area just 5 minutes from campus that was a very affluent, elite area, gated type area and turned the corner and there was a lady in the front yard with her son and I just stopped. I thought Colt and his girlfriend were going to beat me to death. They slid down the seat and said you can’t get out of the car dad. You can’t do this. That’s not what people do. Anyway, I got out and talked to the lady and introduced myself. Long story short we ended up renting a garage apartment in their backyard where Colt lived for the next 4 years and they became just super special friends with us. Our families are really close and we vacation together.

HH: It just amuses me. Dad’s get smart in a hurry sometimes. I bet Colt think you’re a lot smarter now than he thought 6 years ago. By the way, the portrait of Mac Brown is wonderful. What a great man. I’m not a Texas guy so I don’t quite get the Mac Brown thing but now I do.

BM: Mac is a genuine person. I’m not saying that he’s the only one in coaching but I’m saying we’ve had a great experience with Colt. Mac says who he says he is and cares about the kids. He’s the CEO of a elite, huge fortune 500 company if you will and he runs it with a bunch of kids and does the best he can. We had a great relationship with Mac and he loved Colt. He really feels like Colt helped change the culture in Austin that needed to be changed. So, our feelings with Mac go a long way and we hope him the greatest success.

HH: And I have to tell people if they want to ever get inside the recruiting process, really get inside the recruiting process, the blind slide got you there on film a little bit but Growing Up Colt co-authored by my guest Brad McCoy and his son, Colt McCoy,quarterback for the Cleveland Browns now we’ll really take you there and teach you a lot about how to do it the right way if you are going down that road. Another reason to pick up Growing Up Colt by the McCoy’s. It’s linked at HughHewitt.com. One more short segment with Coach McCoy coming right back at ‘ya, America. Stay where you are listening to The Hugh Hewitt Show.

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HH: Fifty-five minutes after the hour, America. It’s Hugh Hewitt and I want to thank my special guest this hour Brad McCoy, author with his son, Colt McCoy, of a terrific book Growing Up Colt. I’ve linked it at HughHewitt.com. Coach there’s a lot of football in Growing Up Colt, a lot of great football, a lot of sports generally and a lot of stories but I been touching on the other aspects the more enduring aspects. I do want to just ask you, you’ve now been introduced to Steelers fans and I grew up with Steelers fans behind me once a year at Memorial Stadium back when the mistake on the lake was there and now we have the wonderful Cleveland Browns Stadium. What do you think of Steelers fans?

BM: Um, let’s just say that if I ever go back to what used to be Three Rivers there I’m going to take more people with me. I was real lonely that day!

HH: [laughing]. Now tell me about the walk-up to the NFL. How’s it been as a dad because the speed of the game increases-everything just gets bigger and faster and more dramatic.

BM: It really does and, of course, I’ve coached my whole life so I’m very intentional about learning and watching and seeing them. Colt and I have talked a lot of times about that and he played in the big 12 at Texas and played Ohio State and Alabama. He played the highest level of football that you could play collegiately so I asked him when he got there about the speed of the game and he said it’s a little faster but it’s not as much as I thought. The difference is in college even at Texas when you game plan for people you could still find a weak spot. You can find a couple of weaknesses in their lineup and those-it was part of that. Now, in the NFL there are no weaknesses. It’s all about scheme. Everybody has great people. There are no weak players you pick on and its all about scheme and how it goes at the right time and being able to get in and out plays-the educational part it. That’s the part that he’s really had to grown in a hurry as far as playing as a rookie in his second year is just understanding that being a leader of the offense and being able to change coverages, change positions, change all the protection schemes and get everybody in the right place. I think that was his evaluation. It is a little faster but there just no weakness. There are no weak spots.

HH: Who knows where it goes. He’s 2 and 2 right now and the Browns are off on a bi-week and this thing will probably play again and again on Father’s Day, but it’s really not whether he get’s to the Super Bowl though the people in Cleveland listening right now think it is. It’s really just not how he’s played the game Brad McCoy, but how is life is being played.

BM: It really is and I think he’ll have a huge influence and I’ve gotten to visit with Coach Horngren and those guys in the front office at Cleveland a couple of times and they are really impressed with how Colt is effecting the culture there. They’ve made a decision whether I like it or anybody else. They’ve made a decision that their not going to go into free agency, They are not going to bring in older guys if they are not sure about their character and attitude and leadership. They’re going to draft the guys they want and they are going to go through the process slowly and build it from the ground up and they are going to take their knocks. They are going to take a lot of lumps.

HH: A great young leader and a great book about him by him and with his dad, Brad McCoy. It’s Gowing up Colt. Enjoy it, America. It’s linked at HughHewitt.com. It’s a perfect Christmas present. Thanks for listening. I’ll be back in California on Monday.

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